The following
questions and answers provide additional clarification on policies
outlined in the IGETC Standards. Information represented on this
page must be practiced by the sending and receiving institutions.
Where indicated, some of the answers will be added to the next
version of the Standards. The response time for questions
submitted via this website is generally 48 hours via email by the
designees of the IGETC Standards subcommittee of ICAS. A selection
of questions and answers which would benefit the broader community
will be posted here periodically throughout the academic year.
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on a question to find the answer.
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Since California Community Colleges may apply out-of-state
courses to the IGETC if the course(s) meets
the Standards, where
do we get the out-of-state university course outlines/syllabi if
needed?
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When students present scores of 3, 4 or 5 on BOTH the AP English
Language and AP English Literature
tests, could the AP English
Language be placed in Area 1A, and AP English Literature be
placed in
Area 3B, assuming they met their full 60 units using
only 8 quarter units of AP English towards
UC transfer?
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Regarding partial IGETC certification: At my campus, I informed
the evaluators that "any two courses"
could be missing,
including Area 1A and Area 2 though not advised for admission
purposes.
Some evaluators say 1A and 2 should be completed.
Please confirm either way.
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I'm looking for info on double counting courses in a major and
in IGETC and can't find any - even in
the new standards. Would
anyone have some info on this?
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Section 5.2.1 states that non-CCC courses may be used for IGETC
even if it was completed prior to the
CCC course’s IGETC
effective date. Is the tail end of it also true, e.g., if a
course is discontinued on
IGETC, may a non-CCC course completed
after the discontinued date be used?
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In section 7.0 Credit by Exams there is a sentence that reads
“Students who have earned credit from
an AP exam should not take
a comparable college course because transfer credit will not be
granted
for both”. I believe the student will receive transfer
credit and AP test credit as long as the AP test
is not
articulated at the UC campus where the student is applying, with
a specific course.
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My understanding is that the new IGETC AP chart is for
certification purposes only. I just wanted to
verify that when
counselors are adding up total AP admission units to a UC
campus, and there is no duplicate credit issue, they would still
use the chart in Quick Reference, for example the US History
exam would be awarded 8 quarter or 5.3 semester units.
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Section 5.2.2 Using courses from another community college’s
certified list to pass along on IGETC.:
“as long as the course
outlines are compared and scrutinized as to equivalency in
content,
prerequisites, texts, units and conformity to IGETC
standards” As for the implementation, are you expecting
Articulation Officer’s to provide an outline to the faculty
member to approve these
courses? Or will a course description and a syllabus from thestudent suffice? As you know,
not all
outlines are available on OSCAR, and
sometimes it is difficult
for other colleges to send an e-
or hard copy of an outline.
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If a student presents an AP score of 3 in English language and
an AP score of 3 in English literature
and does NOT complete a
critical thinking course in Area 1B of IGETC, has this student
met the UC minimum eligibility admission requirement in English
Composition?
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If and when non-CCC courses are approved for use on IGETC, will
a centralized database be
available for input (similar to ASSIST
or within ASSIST)?
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Can the AP chart be added to ASSIST?
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Now that community college faculty fluent in a language that
they do not teach may aid their
college in determining student's
"proficiency" in a language other than English (LOTE), what
standards do UC faculty recommend CCCs use to certify students
as "proficient" in the reading,
writing, speaking and listening skills essential?
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Can already enrolled students go back to the community college
and ask for a partial certification
and then havethat
certification sent to the UC/CSU campus?
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The other question has to do with the timing of IGETC processing
at community colleges. Some of
theUC college and/or department
counselors expressed frustration that sometimes the IGETC
documents aren't signed or they need the student to request the
IGETC for whatever reason and
some community colleges seem to do
IGETC related tasks during certain times of the month,
semester,
year etc. Is it possible to get all community colleges to supply IGETC certifications
on demand?
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During the ETS conferences, the CCCs were asked to use the
recommended IGETC form. Are CCCs
required to complete the
recommended form or any other IGETC form? The UC counselors
expressed that it's not enough to see "IGETC completed" or
"Partial IGETC" on a transcript
because they don't know what's been used for IGETC purposes.
1. Question: Since
California Community Colleges may apply out-of-state courses to the
IGETC if the course(s)
meets the Standards, where do we get the
out-of-state university course outlines/syllabi if needed?
Answer:
It is the responsibility of the student to provide the course
outline/syllabus if they would like a
non-CCC
course considered for IGETC applicability.
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2.
Question: When students present scores of 3, 4 or 5 on BOTH the AP English
Language and AP English
Literature tests, could the AP English
Language be placed in Area 1A, and AP English Literature
be placed
in Area 3B, assuming they met their full 60 units using only 8
quarter units of AP
English towards UC transfer?
Answer: The certifying campus can use AP exams, one for Area 1A and the
other for Area 3B. For IGETC
certification purposes, each exam will
equate to 3 semester or 4 quarter units.
Regarding UC AP credit for admissions purposes, the student would
receive a maximum of
8 quarter units for both exams. The CSU does
not have a systemwide AP policy.
NOTE: The IGETC Standards sub-committee is working hard to try to
relay a message that
UC/CSU selection and IGETC are separate
entities rather than entwined. The ICAS IGETC
subcommittee will
consider including an additional clarification to the IGETC
Standards.
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3. Question: Regarding partial IGETC certification: At my campus, I informed the
evaluators that
"any two courses" could be missing, including Area
1A and Area 2 though not advised
for admission purposes. Some
evaluators say 1A and 2 should be completed. Please
confirm either
way.
Answer: The bottom line is that the Standards purposely do not exclude any
areas to be missing for
partial certification. There are instances
where a transfer student could have been eligible out of
high
school, therefore the possibility is that a student could get
admitted missing courses in
Areas 1 and/or 2, depending on the
criteria used by the receiving institution that admissions cycle.
It would make no sense to deny them partial certification.
Regarding Partial Certification, this is the warning in 11.4 of
IGETC
Standards:
"Warning: Students need to meet minimum UC/CSU transfer admission
requirements.
Therefore, partial certification that acknowledges a
deficiency in IGETC Area 1 and/or 2 may also
indicate a student does
not meet minimum transfer requirements. Community colleges should
make every effort to notify students of
this potential problem."
CCC campuses should exercise caution and make sure students meet
minimum admission
requirements if you are going to certify them
missing critical thinking. We can't imagine
someone getting partial certification missing Math, but who knows, maybe it could happen.
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4. Question: I'm looking for info on double counting courses in a major and in
IGETC and can't find
any - even in the new standards. Would anyone
have some info on this?
Answer: Here is the link to the IGETC info on the University of California
website.
http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/paths_to_adm/transfer/tr_info_ccc/tr_planning_IGETC.html
Look under that Applying Courses section for the answer to your
question.
“Courses may be used only once to satisfy one IGETC subject area,
even if they are listed
in the course agreement under more than one
subject area. Courses may be used to satisfy
both IGETC and major requirements.”
For CSU, double counting courses for IGETC and major requirements is
determined campus to
campus and department to department. Please
refer to the CSU Document “Campus Specific
Practices for Transfer Admission” to get some guidelines.
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5. Question:
Section 5.2.1 states that non-CCC courses may be used for IGETC even
if it was completed prior
to the CCC course’s IGETC effective date.
Is the tail end of it also true, e.g., if a course is
discontinued
on IGETC, may a non-CCC course completed after the discontinued date
be used?
Answer:
In our discussion of this issue it was unanimously agreed that the
content of the course should be
considered for acceptance rather
than the date of acceptance. Courses are removed for a variety
of
reasons and generally at the discretion of the CCC. As long as the
course content is a match to
a once approved IGETC course, it may be
used.
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6.
Question:
In section 7.0 Credit by Exams there is a sentence that reads
“Students who have earned credit
from an AP exam should not take a
comparable college course because transfer credit will not be
granted for both”. I believe the student will receive transfer
credit and AP test credit as long as
the AP test is not articulated
at the UC campus where the student is applying, with a
specific course. I’ll give you an example:
We had a student who took our U.S. History course that we believe is
comparable to the AP U.S.
History exam. The student was planning on
attending UCLA as a political science major. Quick
Reference for
UCLA in the College of Letters and Sciences shows that AP exam is
not articulated
with a particular course at UCLA. UCLA told us the
student would receive credit for the AP exam
and our course.
In Quick Reference for UCLA, the Micro-economics exam, with a 4 or 5
is articulated with a
course on the UCLA campus Economics 1. If our
student received a 4 or 5 on this exam and
completed the CCC course
that was articulated with ECON 1 at UCLA, in this situation the
student would not receive duplicate credit because the course at
UCLA is actually articulated
with an AP exam. Can you set me straight on this- do I have it wrong?
Answer: You are applying the policies correctly. Perhaps the sentence in
7.0 should be more exact.
The committee will look at a more
specific clarification on this issue, something like, “If AP
courses
at a particular UC/CSU are given specific course credit then
students should not take
those same courses at the CCC. If that
happens, a student will not receive credit for both
the AP and the course for admission or IGETC.”
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7. Question:
My understanding is that the new IGETC AP chart is for certification
purposes only. I just
wanted to verify that when counselors are
adding up total AP admission units to a UC campus,
and there is no
duplicate credit issue, they would still use the chart in Quick
Reference, for
example the US History exam would be awarded 8
quarter or 5.3 semester units.
Answer: Yes, continue to use the UC Quick Reference AP chart for unit
designation for admission
purposes. The CSU does not have a
systemwide AP policy, so you must consult the individual
CSU campus.
NOTE: The IGETC Standards sub-committee is working hard to try to
relay a message that UC/CSU
selection and IGETC are separate
entities rather than entwined. The sub-committee will consider
including additional clarification to the IGETC Standards on this
issue.
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8. Question: Section 5.2.2 Using courses from another community college’s
certified list to pass along
on IGETC.:
“as long as the course outlines are compared and scrutinized as to
equivalency in
content, prerequisites, texts, units and conformity
to IGETC standards” As for the
implementation, are you expecting
Articulation Officer’s to provide an outline to the faculty
member
to approve these courses? Or will a course description and a
syllabus from the student
suffice? As you know, not all outlines
are available on OSCAR, and sometimes it is difficult
for other
colleges to send an e or hard copy of an outline.
Answer: If the course description from the non-CCC course matches the course
description from
another community college, then no further reviews
is necessary, and apply the course to
the appropriate IGETC area.
If it isn’t clear, ask the student to provide a course syllabus,
and
then make the determination. If you still can’t figure it out,
then bring in the teaching
faculty to help. There are many
different CCC models regarding review of non-CCC courses.
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9. Question: If a student presents an AP score of 3 in English language and an
AP score of 3 in English
literature and does NOT complete a
critical thinking course in Area 1B of IGETC, has this
student met
the UC minimum eligibility admission requirement in English
Composition?
Answer: Students cannot use the two English AP exams to satisfy the UC/CSU
transfer minimum
eligibility admissions requirement in English
composition. Students who take both the
English AP exams will
receive credit for one English Composition requirement for
admissions
purposes.
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10. Question: If and
when non-CCC courses are approved for use on IGETC, will a
centralized database
be available for input (similar to ASSIST or
within ASSIST)?
Answer: This is something the IGETC sub-committee will examine in
conjunction with ASSIST
and the 3 Central Offices. It is likely
this will take some time to implement.
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11.
Question: Can the AP chart be added to ASSIST?
Answer:
Policy information is not housed in ASSIST. The combined UC/CSU AP
chart for IGETC
can be found in the IGETC Standards and accessed at
http://www.cacctcw.com/igetc.htm.
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12. Question: Now that community college faculty fluent in a language that they do
not teach may aid
their college in determining student's
"proficiency" in a language other than English (LOTE),
what
standards do UC faculty recommend CCCs use to certify students as
"proficient" in
the reading, writing, speaking and listening skills
essential?
Answer: Your question is a good one and this is something that the
sub-committee needs to
discuss further when it re-convenes in fall
2008 so that a process can be created.
Look for an update on this
issue at ETS 2009.
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13. Question: Can already enrolled students go back to the community college and
ask for a partial
certification and then have that certification
sent to the UC/CSU campus?
Answer: Yes, the student would return to the CCC campus. The campuses are
aware that they
should be certifying as requested.
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14. Question: The other question has to do with the
timing of IGETC processing at community colleges.
Some of the UC
college and/or department counselors expressed frustration that
sometimes
the IGETC documents aren't signed or they need the student
to request the IGETC for whatever
reason and some community colleges
seem to do IGETC related tasks during certain times of
the month,
semester, year etc. Is it possible to get all community colleges to
supply IGETC
certifications on demand?
Answer:
Students
who complete IGETC before transfer but fail to request certification
will be directed
back to the sending institution to obtain a
completed form. Sending institutions will respond
as quickly as
possible but may not be able to accommodate these requests
immediately, such
as during peak workload periods. Students should
be advised to allow sufficient time for
processing. IGETC
certification timelines are at the discretion of the individual CCC.
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15. Question: During the ETS conferences, the CCCs
were asked to use the recommended IGETC form.
Are CCCs required to
complete the recommended form or any other IGETC form? The UC
counselors expressed that it's not enough to see "IGETC completed"
or "Partial IGETC" on
a transcript because they don't know what's
been used for IGETC purposes.
Answer: The CCCs are required to provide the information stated on the form
through using our
suggested form or by including all of the
information on their own form or transcript.
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Questions 1-15 submitted as of June 3, 2008
